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		<title>Comment on Iconia has moved by Zoe Murdock</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2010/01/13/iconia-has-moved/#comment-97398</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Congratulations Menachem,

I look forward to reading your blog in it's new location.

Zoe</description>
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<p>I look forward to reading your blog in it&#8217;s new location.</p>
<p>Zoe
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		<title>Comment on Gideon Polya on His Own Work by Dr Gideon Polya</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2007/04/25/gideon-polya-on-his-own-work/#comment-94391</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The links above to my paintings on MWC News are no longer accessible.

However inks to images of my huge paintings can now be found at "Art for Peace, Planet, Mother &#38; Child": http://sites.google.com/site/artforpeaceplanetmotherchild/home (see &lt;a HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/artforpeaceplanetmotherchild/home" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links above to my paintings on MWC News are no longer accessible.</p>
<p>However inks to images of my huge paintings can now be found at &#8220;Art for Peace, Planet, Mother &amp; Child&#8221;: <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/artforpeaceplanetmotherchild/home" rel="nofollow">http://sites.google.com/site/artforpeaceplanetmotherchild/home</a> (see <a HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/artforpeaceplanetmotherchild/home" rel="nofollow">link</a> ).
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		<title>Comment on Iconia has moved by millinerd</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2010/01/13/iconia-has-moved/#comment-93924</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Congratulations!  Much deserved.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Vatican art, digital Koran, Jewish pop art by Warhol</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/11/07/vatican-art-digital-koran-jewish-pop-art/#comment-93561</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a jew myself I love that it can be expresed in beautiful pop art, thanks for sharing, was warhol jewish by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a jew myself I love that it can be expresed in beautiful pop art, thanks for sharing, was warhol jewish by any chance?
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		<title>Comment on Hyman Bloom&#8217;s Unreal Rabbis by Joan Vick</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/29/hyman-blooms-unreal-rabbis/#comment-92717</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If Jewish Pissaro is interesting, wait till you get to the Naviim.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 2 art parables in Spurgeon by Simone</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2008/12/29/2-art-parables-in-spurgeon/#comment-92196</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A year later I discover this post (and this website!)
I guess what Spurgeon wants to say is that we can understand the concept of divine atonement and expiation only after it has been presented to us by the Gospel, but every time our natural mind confronts sin, the immediate response is human expiation (as it is for most religions). It seems that even the disciples didn't fully understand it while Jesus was with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year later I discover this post (and this website!)<br />
I guess what Spurgeon wants to say is that we can understand the concept of divine atonement and expiation only after it has been presented to us by the Gospel, but every time our natural mind confronts sin, the immediate response is human expiation (as it is for most religions). It seems that even the disciples didn&#8217;t fully understand it while Jesus was with them.
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		<title>Comment on Tobi Kahn at New York&#8217;s Museum of Biblical Art by Menachem Wecker</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/11/14/tobi-kahn-at-new-yorks-museum-of-biblical-art/#comment-87803</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Should have been four. Yikes!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tobi Kahn at New York&#8217;s Museum of Biblical Art by moshe simon shoshan</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/11/14/tobi-kahn-at-new-yorks-museum-of-biblical-art/#comment-87713</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tobi Kahn's bar mitzva was  alot more than 2 decades ago</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Roseanne Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/24/thous-shalt-not-admire-religous-calendars-with-nice-pictures-too-much/#comment-87450</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Menachem, After I got back from my pilgrimage to Israel, I started shopping for a mezuzah.  I had trouble making up my mind when faced with the variety of choices. And then there was the fact that apparently at least some Jews put mezuzahs on every door in their homes, making the expense a factor to consider.  Then I forgot about the idea. I thought it was fascinating to see a mezuzah unearthed by archeologists at Herod's fortress/castle at Masada. The practice goes back a long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Menachem, After I got back from my pilgrimage to Israel, I started shopping for a mezuzah.  I had trouble making up my mind when faced with the variety of choices. And then there was the fact that apparently at least some Jews put mezuzahs on every door in their homes, making the expense a factor to consider.  Then I forgot about the idea. I thought it was fascinating to see a mezuzah unearthed by archeologists at Herod&#8217;s fortress/castle at Masada. The practice goes back a long, long time.
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Roseanne Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/24/thous-shalt-not-admire-religous-calendars-with-nice-pictures-too-much/#comment-87447</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Suzanne, that is an excellent answer to Menachem's question. It is enlightening to me to see all thesee things drawn together in your explanation.  I never heard that quote "You reign from the cross soaked with the blood of the lamb" before.  The Last Supper being a Passover Seder, and the slaughter of the Lamb at the time of the Temple sacrifice, those are all powerful things to note. And the symbolic link between the blood of the lambs on the doorposts in Exodus and the blood of Christ is also very true and moving. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne, that is an excellent answer to Menachem&#8217;s question. It is enlightening to me to see all thesee things drawn together in your explanation.  I never heard that quote &#8220;You reign from the cross soaked with the blood of the lamb&#8221; before.  The Last Supper being a Passover Seder, and the slaughter of the Lamb at the time of the Temple sacrifice, those are all powerful things to note. And the symbolic link between the blood of the lambs on the doorposts in Exodus and the blood of Christ is also very true and moving. Thank you.
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		<title>Comment on Hyman Bloom&#8217;s Unreal Rabbis by Larry Ogan</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/29/hyman-blooms-unreal-rabbis/#comment-86955</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like his art work.  Is there a web site to view his work?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hyman Bloom&#8217;s Unreal Rabbis by Menachem Wecker</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/29/hyman-blooms-unreal-rabbis/#comment-86514</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/29/hyman-blooms-unreal-rabbis/#comment-86514</guid>
					<description>What do you mean should not be taken literally?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hyman Bloom&#8217;s Unreal Rabbis by Yona</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/29/hyman-blooms-unreal-rabbis/#comment-86336</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very interesting article. 
For all it's worth: this afternoon a  friend of mine, who knew him and collects his work,  said that Bloom had an Orthodox background and that the poses with Torah scrolls should not be taken literally. (And that even though he was not that religious, he kept some Chassidic clothes in his closet; I'm wondering if they  were props).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article.<br />
For all it&#8217;s worth: this afternoon a  friend of mine, who knew him and collects his work,  said that Bloom had an Orthodox background and that the poses with Torah scrolls should not be taken literally. (And that even though he was not that religious, he kept some Chassidic clothes in his closet; I&#8217;m wondering if they  were props).
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		<title>Comment on News roundup 10/16 a new da Vinci, Obama curator by Brandon</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/10/16/news-roundup-1016-a-new-da-vinci-obama-curator/#comment-84732</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The high tech Bible looks cool.  I wonder what presuppositions fill items like dating of events and books, or interpretation, etc.  Still, having the video sounds good.</description>
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		<title>Comment on News roundup 9/28 Boo-opera, Obama art, comic God by kitty</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/28/news-roundup-928-boo-opera-obama-art-comic-god/#comment-83856</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/28/news-roundup-928-boo-opera-obama-art-comic-god/#comment-83856</guid>
					<description>The opera production didn't got booed just because of madonna. It got booed because it was ugly, dreary and illogical. Also because opera goers are sick and tired of Eurotrash productions that ignore the wishes of composer, the words, and that put director first. Opera is not a spoken theater, opera is "prima la musica and dopo le parole" - first music, then words. The staging should enhance the experience of listening to this beautiful music, not distract from it. I am secular, ethnically Jewish and really completely irreligious, and I'd have booed this production too had I been there. 

Talking about madonna. Tosca takes place in the 19th century. Do you really expect an Italian, catholic, chief of police to behave this way? At that time and place? Oh, I forgot, most people today don't know history and have no clue about historical context.

How about the look of this church. Puccini clearly stated that action should take place in St Andrea della Valle which is a baroque church, quite beautiful. In this staging it is a dreary gray building with the painting of madonna showing a naked breast. Yet the custodian is upset on how madonna resembles some society lady - a revolutionary concept - but ignores the breast? Do these words make sense? Except for directors don't bother reading the libretto...

Scarpia entertaining himself with prostitutes. Little problem - there is nothing in music that suggests it. this is the guy before whom "the Rome trembled". 

Then there is the whole issue of premeditation. Tosca is catholic and very religious. Her religiosity is in her words and in music. When she kills Scarpia, it is an act of desperation, an act that is in conflict with her beliefs. In this staging, she takes the knife in advance rather than in the last moment making the whole murder premeditated. 

After she kills Scarpia there are some musical moments to fill up until she runs. In the traditional staging - that dates from the time of dramatic actress Sarah Bernard playing this role in a play - Tosca is in a trance: she puts candles near the body and puts crucifix on top of it: this shows her religiosity and her conflict. She says "and in front of him the whole Rome trembled", gets out of her trance and runs away. 
The producers did away with candles and crucifix - that would've been fine had whatever he replaced these actions with made sense. The trouble is - they didn't. She runs to the window - does she want to finish opera an act soooner? - then she lies down on a couch and fans herself with a large fan. Is this logical? If you just kill somebody, would you just lie down in the room and rest? Her words about Rome come out of nowhere and no longer make sense.

Then the last act. In spoken theater when nobody speaks, something has to happen. Fair enough. But in opera, something is happening - the music plays. The music shows the early morning, the song of a shepherd shows life going by. This music builds up to Cavaradossi aria about life, about his love. But in this staging the soldiers are practicing mock execution during this time. It is distracting, it doesn't correspond to music, it just doesn't make sense. The director seems to have forgotten about "music first". Newsflash - it is the music that is written by a genius here, it is the music that stood the test of time. Not the play. 

I understand how you want to tie every event to a conflict between art and religion. But this wasn't the case. This was part of a rebellion of American opera fans against the phenomenon known as "regietheater" or as referred in the US as Eurotrash. A few months ago, by the way, a production of Sonnambula at the Met was booed too, and there was no religious connotations there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opera production didn&#8217;t got booed just because of madonna. It got booed because it was ugly, dreary and illogical. Also because opera goers are sick and tired of Eurotrash productions that ignore the wishes of composer, the words, and that put director first. Opera is not a spoken theater, opera is &#8220;prima la musica and dopo le parole&#8221; - first music, then words. The staging should enhance the experience of listening to this beautiful music, not distract from it. I am secular, ethnically Jewish and really completely irreligious, and I&#8217;d have booed this production too had I been there. </p>
<p>Talking about madonna. Tosca takes place in the 19th century. Do you really expect an Italian, catholic, chief of police to behave this way? At that time and place? Oh, I forgot, most people today don&#8217;t know history and have no clue about historical context.</p>
<p>How about the look of this church. Puccini clearly stated that action should take place in St Andrea della Valle which is a baroque church, quite beautiful. In this staging it is a dreary gray building with the painting of madonna showing a naked breast. Yet the custodian is upset on how madonna resembles some society lady - a revolutionary concept - but ignores the breast? Do these words make sense? Except for directors don&#8217;t bother reading the libretto&#8230;</p>
<p>Scarpia entertaining himself with prostitutes. Little problem - there is nothing in music that suggests it. this is the guy before whom &#8220;the Rome trembled&#8221;. </p>
<p>Then there is the whole issue of premeditation. Tosca is catholic and very religious. Her religiosity is in her words and in music. When she kills Scarpia, it is an act of desperation, an act that is in conflict with her beliefs. In this staging, she takes the knife in advance rather than in the last moment making the whole murder premeditated. </p>
<p>After she kills Scarpia there are some musical moments to fill up until she runs. In the traditional staging - that dates from the time of dramatic actress Sarah Bernard playing this role in a play - Tosca is in a trance: she puts candles near the body and puts crucifix on top of it: this shows her religiosity and her conflict. She says &#8220;and in front of him the whole Rome trembled&#8221;, gets out of her trance and runs away.<br />
The producers did away with candles and crucifix - that would&#8217;ve been fine had whatever he replaced these actions with made sense. The trouble is - they didn&#8217;t. She runs to the window - does she want to finish opera an act soooner? - then she lies down on a couch and fans herself with a large fan. Is this logical? If you just kill somebody, would you just lie down in the room and rest? Her words about Rome come out of nowhere and no longer make sense.</p>
<p>Then the last act. In spoken theater when nobody speaks, something has to happen. Fair enough. But in opera, something is happening - the music plays. The music shows the early morning, the song of a shepherd shows life going by. This music builds up to Cavaradossi aria about life, about his love. But in this staging the soldiers are practicing mock execution during this time. It is distracting, it doesn&#8217;t correspond to music, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense. The director seems to have forgotten about &#8220;music first&#8221;. Newsflash - it is the music that is written by a genius here, it is the music that stood the test of time. Not the play. </p>
<p>I understand how you want to tie every event to a conflict between art and religion. But this wasn&#8217;t the case. This was part of a rebellion of American opera fans against the phenomenon known as &#8220;regietheater&#8221; or as referred in the US as Eurotrash. A few months ago, by the way, a production of Sonnambula at the Met was booed too, and there was no religious connotations there.
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Menachem Wecker</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/24/thous-shalt-not-admire-religous-calendars-with-nice-pictures-too-much/#comment-82911</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That's helpful. Thanks for that. I've always thought it interesting that Christians don't post anything on their door posts a la the Jewish mezuzah. Or do some?

Haven't asked him yet, but that's a good point. I should do so.</description>
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<p>Haven&#8217;t asked him yet, but that&#8217;s a good point. I should do so.
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		<title>Comment on Are clergy members who specialize in young people good for religion? by Menachem Wecker</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/26/are-clergy-members-who-specialize-in-young-people-good-for-religion/#comment-82910</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks, Marget. Glad to hear that you had a better experience than I did with this. Do you have any sense whether folks tend to go into youth ministries because they are passionate about working with young people, or more as a stepping stool to get to lead pastor positions? Can one expect those in youth ministries to have the scriptural background that pastors do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marget. Glad to hear that you had a better experience than I did with this. Do you have any sense whether folks tend to go into youth ministries because they are passionate about working with young people, or more as a stepping stool to get to lead pastor positions? Can one expect those in youth ministries to have the scriptural background that pastors do?
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		<title>Comment on Are clergy members who specialize in young people good for religion? by Marget</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/26/are-clergy-members-who-specialize-in-young-people-good-for-religion/#comment-82727</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmm.  Excellent question.  As a former member of a youth group (two actually), I think the strengths of a really good program are to 1) provide opportunity for teens to explore, question and express their faith in a familiar atmosphere amongst one's peers and 2) to non-judgemental/safe space to work through the challenges of being a teenager with others that are going through the same thing.  The adult leaders - priests as well as lay  ministers - were there to guide your experience and faith.  Often they did share their experiences and how they came through it, with or without god/religion/faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Excellent question.  As a former member of a youth group (two actually), I think the strengths of a really good program are to 1) provide opportunity for teens to explore, question and express their faith in a familiar atmosphere amongst one&#8217;s peers and 2) to non-judgemental/safe space to work through the challenges of being a teenager with others that are going through the same thing.  The adult leaders - priests as well as lay  ministers - were there to guide your experience and faith.  Often they did share their experiences and how they came through it, with or without god/religion/faith.
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/24/thous-shalt-not-admire-religous-calendars-with-nice-pictures-too-much/#comment-82605</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, the cross is the place where Christ bled.  Christians have long understood that the blood in the cup at the Last Supper had its most evident outward manifestation on the cross (one of our liturgical prayers goes: "You reign from the cross soaked with the blood of the lamb"). In three of the gospels, the Last Supper is a Passover Seder.  In the fourth (and perhaps most accurate?), Jesus dies on the cross at the moment that the Passover lambs are sacrificed in the Temple. In both accounts, the blood of Christ is intimately at one with the blood painted on the doorposts of the Israelites in captivity in Egypt. In each case, the blood frees God's people from death. But why not ask him? Or maybe you have?  What did he say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the cross is the place where Christ bled.  Christians have long understood that the blood in the cup at the Last Supper had its most evident outward manifestation on the cross (one of our liturgical prayers goes: &#8220;You reign from the cross soaked with the blood of the lamb&#8221;). In three of the gospels, the Last Supper is a Passover Seder.  In the fourth (and perhaps most accurate?), Jesus dies on the cross at the moment that the Passover lambs are sacrificed in the Temple. In both accounts, the blood of Christ is intimately at one with the blood painted on the doorposts of the Israelites in captivity in Egypt. In each case, the blood frees God&#8217;s people from death. But why not ask him? Or maybe you have?  What did he say?
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Menachem Wecker</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks, Suzanne. That's really helpful. I'd heard something similar to the first part that you were explaining, but didn't you get the feeling reading the sermon that he was connecting the literal form of the cross per se with the notion of the covenant of blood? If so, I'd be fascinated to hear what his explanation is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Suzanne. That&#8217;s really helpful. I&#8217;d heard something similar to the first part that you were explaining, but didn&#8217;t you get the feeling reading the sermon that he was connecting the literal form of the cross per se with the notion of the covenant of blood? If so, I&#8217;d be fascinated to hear what his explanation is&#8230;
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		<title>Comment on Thous shalt not admire religous calendars with nice pictures too much by Suzanne</title>
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					<description>When we speak of the Gospel (a word that means "good news"), we mean the good news of Jesus Christ, God who became a person (took on flesh and blood).  This is the particular subject of all four gospels.  

The first covenant was a gift of (among other things) a land -- a promised land.  The second covenant is a covenant in blood -- the blood of Christ.  One experiences God the Father in his creation -- that is, nature; but one can only experience Christ in a human body -- the Body of Christ continues to be present in time through the mystical body of Christ -- his people who are united and transformed in the sacraments.  I hope this makes sense.  I am grateful to you for asking this question! Many Christians don't even understand it.  

As for the Crucifix being a particularly special subject for art -- I don't know (it's not something he's borrowing from the Catholic tradition) -- maybe it's a personal opinion.  In the early Church, Christ was not depicted in art at all -- either the Chi Rho was used, or a fish... or art would depict Noah, or a shepherd, or Adam -- all of them prefiguring or referring to Christ. The Crucifix itself (even if it's mass produced green plastic that glows in the dark) is the sign of salvation for Christians -- not only did God become man, but he was willing to die for us? It's mind boggling.  It's a subject that a Christian will never get to the bottom of. But as far as the making of art goes... But Christian art can have anything as its subject.  It's the crucifix (and the Incarnation, and the Resurrection) that can inform how we look at (or listen to) everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we speak of the Gospel (a word that means &#8220;good news&#8221;), we mean the good news of Jesus Christ, God who became a person (took on flesh and blood).  This is the particular subject of all four gospels.  </p>
<p>The first covenant was a gift of (among other things) a land &#8212; a promised land.  The second covenant is a covenant in blood &#8212; the blood of Christ.  One experiences God the Father in his creation &#8212; that is, nature; but one can only experience Christ in a human body &#8212; the Body of Christ continues to be present in time through the mystical body of Christ &#8212; his people who are united and transformed in the sacraments.  I hope this makes sense.  I am grateful to you for asking this question! Many Christians don&#8217;t even understand it.  </p>
<p>As for the Crucifix being a particularly special subject for art &#8212; I don&#8217;t know (it&#8217;s not something he&#8217;s borrowing from the Catholic tradition) &#8212; maybe it&#8217;s a personal opinion.  In the early Church, Christ was not depicted in art at all &#8212; either the Chi Rho was used, or a fish&#8230; or art would depict Noah, or a shepherd, or Adam &#8212; all of them prefiguring or referring to Christ. The Crucifix itself (even if it&#8217;s mass produced green plastic that glows in the dark) is the sign of salvation for Christians &#8212; not only did God become man, but he was willing to die for us? It&#8217;s mind boggling.  It&#8217;s a subject that a Christian will never get to the bottom of. But as far as the making of art goes&#8230; But Christian art can have anything as its subject.  It&#8217;s the crucifix (and the Incarnation, and the Resurrection) that can inform how we look at (or listen to) everything.
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		<title>Comment on Is it wrong to collect Nazi memorabilia? by Menachem Wecker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks, Justin. I think the claim that HRW hurts Israel's interests remains to be proven. I wouldn't take that for granted. Also, the fact that some could interpret the actions as anti-Semitic is the problem. There are many reputable collectors and museums that collect anti-Semitica. I wish more of the press coverage made that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justin. I think the claim that HRW hurts Israel&#8217;s interests remains to be proven. I wouldn&#8217;t take that for granted. Also, the fact that some could interpret the actions as anti-Semitic is the problem. There are many reputable collectors and museums that collect anti-Semitica. I wish more of the press coverage made that point.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"The logic, according to MR, is something like: Garlasco collects Nazi objects –&#62; he is anti-Semitic –&#62; he is anti-Israel"

While that may be the logic they use, the underlying logic (as I am certain you are aware of) is as follows:
Garlasco works for an organization that hurts the interests of Israel -&#62; Garlasco is participating an activity that can be interpreted by some as anti-Semitic -&#62; by attacking Garlasco we can hurt HRW

Fair or not, he should have been aware of the bad PR repercussions of his actions. It's politics and he's been in the field long enough to know how to play that game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The logic, according to MR, is something like: Garlasco collects Nazi objects –&gt; he is anti-Semitic –&gt; he is anti-Israel&#8221;</p>
<p>While that may be the logic they use, the underlying logic (as I am certain you are aware of) is as follows:<br />
Garlasco works for an organization that hurts the interests of Israel -&gt; Garlasco is participating an activity that can be interpreted by some as anti-Semitic -&gt; by attacking Garlasco we can hurt HRW</p>
<p>Fair or not, he should have been aware of the bad PR repercussions of his actions. It&#8217;s politics and he&#8217;s been in the field long enough to know how to play that game.
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		<title>Comment on Vatican embraces artists, but at the cost of dissing non-Catholics? by Menachem Wecker</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/15/vatican-embraces-artists-but-at-the-cost-of-dissing-non-catholics/#comment-81640</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for your comment, Suzanne. Any ideas why this recent trend is occurring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Suzanne. Any ideas why this recent trend is occurring?
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		<title>Comment on Vatican embraces artists, but at the cost of dissing non-Catholics? by Suzanne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>BC is correct -- the problem is ugly Catholic churches.  We Catholics have gone through a recent period (in contrast to our rich history) of very ugly architecture AND ugly art within our churches. I know that this problem is not limited to churches within the U.S. I once went to Mass at a church in Switzerland that had a huge photograph (covering the wall from floor to ceiling and from one end of the church to the other) behind the altar -- it was of desert sands; the photograph, being very large, was grainy and distorted.  Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC is correct &#8212; the problem is ugly Catholic churches.  We Catholics have gone through a recent period (in contrast to our rich history) of very ugly architecture AND ugly art within our churches. I know that this problem is not limited to churches within the U.S. I once went to Mass at a church in Switzerland that had a huge photograph (covering the wall from floor to ceiling and from one end of the church to the other) behind the altar &#8212; it was of desert sands; the photograph, being very large, was grainy and distorted.  Ugh.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good point. I did make an assumption. I guess anecdotally I've just heard the contrast made a lot, but I'm glad you noted my error.

Though, when one spends most of one's time in houses of worship in U.S. synagogues, of course, one thinks all churches are gorgeous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I did make an assumption. I guess anecdotally I&#8217;ve just heard the contrast made a lot, but I&#8217;m glad you noted my error.</p>
<p>Though, when one spends most of one&#8217;s time in houses of worship in U.S. synagogues, of course, one thinks all churches are gorgeous&#8230;
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		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/15/vatican-embraces-artists-but-at-the-cost-of-dissing-non-catholics/#comment-81431</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why do you think he is contrasting Catholic churches with non-Catholic churches? There are plenty of ugly modern Catholic churches, including the Cathedral in Los Angeles, and the 50 year old Notre-Dame-du-Haut de Ronchamp (by Corbusier).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think he is contrasting Catholic churches with non-Catholic churches? There are plenty of ugly modern Catholic churches, including the Cathedral in Los Angeles, and the 50 year old Notre-Dame-du-Haut de Ronchamp (by Corbusier).
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		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/09/07/glenn-becks-attempt-to-analyze-art/#comment-80914</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Beck reminds me of the old fundamentalist minister playing a rock song backwards looking for secret messages from Satan.  Ugh.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clever.  On your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clever.  On your part.
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		<title>Comment on Mega-church and Hebrew ring typos by Hebrew Scholar</title>
		<link>http://iconia.canonist.com/2009/08/24/mega-church-and-hebrew-ring-typos/#comment-77962</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have seen quite a few examples of this sort of thing recently, where the Hebrew or Aramaic inscriptions on rings or (worse still) tattoos contains some very obvious mistakes or weird things. At least with an incorrect Hebrew inscription on a ring, you can always just throw it in the trash. But when someone laughs at the mistake on a tattoo, that's a lot harder to handle. This example shows how you need to be careful if you want a Hebrew or Aramaic inscription, but can't even read those languages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen quite a few examples of this sort of thing recently, where the Hebrew or Aramaic inscriptions on rings or (worse still) tattoos contains some very obvious mistakes or weird things. At least with an incorrect Hebrew inscription on a ring, you can always just throw it in the trash. But when someone laughs at the mistake on a tattoo, that&#8217;s a lot harder to handle. This example shows how you need to be careful if you want a Hebrew or Aramaic inscription, but can&#8217;t even read those languages&#8230;
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